What should i do with saadia

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The least she could do is show me a little lovin'. If anything, the fact that Saadia's ashes show up in the hall of dead must be an oversight. Kematu seems very honest; why would he become upset if you kill Saadia if he actually wanted to kill her? Plus, if you brought her to him and he wanted to kill her, he probably would have just killed her right then and there.

Explore Wikis Community Central. Register Don't have an account? Elder Scrolls Explore. Elder Scrolls Online. Events Characters Factions Locations Concepts. So they stripped her down, filled an urn with ashes and possessions and put it in the crypt without the priests noticing having not done a ceremony over the corpse They tell the guards that they're Thalmor agents, and Saadia is smuggled out of the city by the gray-manes or any other anti-thalmor locals.

Not to mention that they hired those bandits to help them. Sorry about the format, my phones acting up and i was tired of rearranging it lol. One more thing concerning 9: She's the one who forced the issue if you think about it, she sent you to kill all of them.

If she was honestly running for her live I think you could have asked you to try and smuggle her out of the city first.. Ok, I finally get that it seems odd to many that she would be punished for speaking out against the thalmor. However considering a major figure in skyrim is a sleeper agent for the thalmor, it wouldn't surprise me if this group of redguard could also be rogue.

In fact, by their aggression I would expect it. To me that's assuming quite alot just for an unimportant side quest that has no bearing on the game really, you' re basically writing your own little back story at this point lol. Its cool though it is a RPG, you're supposed to role play however suits you.

The way I see it, anyone who is as aggressive as the kematu were, must die. If they want to extradite a prisoner, they have to give a more specific reason, provide evidence, etc.

Rule of law. Basically they just come into my country trying to capture a refugee with a vague explanation. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if people in cities like Markarth would be killed for speaking out against the thalmor. When Ulfric was in cahoots with the thalmor he murdered many citizens of markarth. Perhaps at their direction. How would he lawfully do do it?

He wasn't allowed in the city, and i doubt the jarl would take any interest in the matter. He really wasn't aggressive either, you're mistaking them for the bandits in the cave, the alikr never attack you unless you tell kematu that you're going to kill him.

Also, ulfric never worked for the thalmor, in fact he liberated markarth from the forsworn at the request of the previous jarl of markarths son his father was killed by the forsworn , who agreed to allow the worship worship of talos after the city was liberated.

The thalmor had nothing to do with anything going on in markarth, and the only time ulfric has had any contact with them was when he was their prisoner, after that he was never "in cahoots" with them.

Also the claim that he killed anyone in markarth other than the forsworn is thought to be imperial propaganda. Why would he kill innocent nords who he hopes to lead in a rebellion?

That wouldn't give him much public support. And in regards to ulfric being a thalmor sleeper agent, if that is who you mean, if you read his dossier its clear that the thalmor are in no way controlling or having any contact with him, its just that his rebellion is weakening the empire, which benefits the thalmor more than anything. Ulfric doesn't even realize he's doing exactly what they want. To the person near the top who has nothing better to do than judge people for how they play a game: that makes you a hypacrite.

Not only are you being sexist to men by not looking at both sides but also racist because kematu is black. The problem in society is not that peoople are sexist but that they try to find problems in everytimy little thing lik a silly video game that's just for fun commented 9 years ago by anonymous.

So everytime i dont like something that a black person does, im racist? That's profoundly stupid. Be careful or you might never recover from such a comprehensively stupid statement 2. I am not objecting to the possibility that kematu was in the right, I am objecting to the common arguments put forward on this and other forums stating that saadia "seemed" to be lying, or stating that she would not be killed if caught.

You came to a forum that is discussing one of those tiny problems. And you brought yourself to my level by calling me racist and sexist On the slim chance that you understood any of the points I just made, feel free to respond. But please try to understand them first.

To the person who I've been going back and forth on about the legality of extradition, etc: I can see clearly that as an imperialist, I will not agree with you on this subject. However, I appreciate your perspective, and you almost convinced me. But not quite. I'm not taking sides on the whole racist thing that was out of nowhere but here's how I see the sexist argument.

One commenter doesn't trust one woman because he thinks she's insincere, which is a valid point. However instead of being civil about it you rant about how all skyrim players are sexist. First of all, if all skyrim players are sexist, and you play skyrim, what does that make you?

Also, how exactly can you generalize an entire demographic over a few comments you've seen? That doesn't make any sense. There are multiples things in game that support that saadia IS lying, but instead of commenting or refuting any of those you decided that the better strategy was to go on a women's rights crusade. What I'm saying is, you probably could have handled the situation better.

That was an exaggeration, ill admit, however at the time of my original posting, the discussion was dominated by people saying that she was the aggressor, or saying that she "seemed" dishonest without any legit reason.

If you can't handle a little embellishment, you should get off the internet for your own sanity's sake. I stand by my assertion that skyrim players are generally sexist. For example the elder scrolls wiki entry for saadia states that she first claimed not to know that the alikr were in the city, but then later admitted to knowing that one of them was recently arrested.

In fact, she never claimed ignorance, and on the contrary was surprised that they knew her location. Another example of distortion of her character is how everyone said that she told the player to kill everyone. As someone else pointed out below, she only told you to kill one person. Also, while she was holding a decent job, the prisoner arrested by the empire stated that kematu was a reckless and violent individual.

I could have gone into more detail as i have above, but I thought I would summarize by saying that the arguments against her were frequently bs, and seemed to be sexist. Humans aren't good at knowing when someone is lying.

There is scientific research that supports this. However, people overwhelmingly decided that she was lying. What is the hidden variable? If you can give me another reason why people generally sided with kematu, go ahead. There are multiple reasons I've already mentioned, to you I believe. Refer back to, "why would the thalmor hire redguards.. And to address a few of your points. Apparently you've already forgotten all of them by now.

Also you didn't even respond to my last point, but i'll still be happy to counter any arguments you can make for saadia another than the sexism thing. Also, where exactly was the discussion being dominated by sexism? I see one post above your own rant that mentioned anything remotely sexist.

Maybe take some reading comprehension classes? I said they were dominated by people saying she was the aggressor. After this initial error, you just copy and paste someone elses argument. I'm sorry that your brain is a quivering pile of shit, I don't know what to tell you So stop fucking wasting my time reiterating arguments that I've already addressed.

You're so far removed from my level of sophistication that i feel like Muhammad ali fighting a baby. As I stated above, i'm not against the possibility of kematu being correct, rather i am surprised by how few people sided with saadia considering that both sides have legitimate claims. So there is no reason for us to be arguing if you can't distinguish between 1.

Saadia's lying, kematu doesn't need any sort of warrant and you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to make a single valid argument. Also p. Ah I forgot one thing to address. When you meet her in whiterun she absolutely does claim that she didn't know the alikr are in the city, and later tells you to go to the jail to talk to one that's been arrested.

How exactly does she know he's there again? No she doesn't i just watched a walkthrough. She says "So they know where I am? Something In the form of a question i. Imperial soldiers don't make laws, they enforce them. The emperor makes the laws of skyrim, and the jarls make local decisions. I was almost executed because I was crossing into skyrim at the same time as Ulfric. Imagine sneaking into the united states in the company of an al qaeda leader.

Why they are circumstantial: they fail to prove her guilt, only suggest it, whereas the alikr are definitely guilty of conducting an extradition without the permission of local government.

Idk if it was you who was talking about ulfric as a sleeper. I disagree with the analysis of the dossier that claims that he never was in thalmor control. He was in control up until a point, after which he was no longer in their direct control. Anyway, what pissed me off, in case you're interested is that you said "These posts all refuted every one of your arguments while proving that you should side with kematu and that the sexism argument is a moot point.

How does she know he's there? Idk what you are suggesting How would she know he was there even if she was lying? Is she telekinetically linked to her pursuers? She knows from words of mouth around the city. Same as everyone else. Why would you state the points you've already made instead of responding to my points. Illegal extradition, circumstantial evidence.

The idea of innocent until proven guilty? Here's how I see it, the alikr are guilty of unlawful extradition which i doubt is even a thing in the elder scrolls universe however saadia is without a doubt lying about the alikr working with the thalmor, that is obvious to anyone with any lore knowledge.

Thus the alikr's position is more believable and it's actually reasonale compared to saadias. It seems that you grasp this and your only stance on the issue is that the alikr should lawfully extradite her, but as ive said before they aren't allowed into the city, so how is it that this should be done? And I have responded to every argument you've made about in game situations. I'd like to hear one of your arguments about why you believe saadia is the right choice that has in game facts to support it, nothing about our laws or real world situations.

My system of ethics is based on the real world, because that is where we all live the vast majority of the time, so I can't divorce myself completely from that. Now to address once again the status of thalmor in skyrim and hammerfell. I realize that the thalmor were recently pushed out of both hammerfell and skyrim.

Therefore it would seem strange for her to be in trouble for speaking out against the thalmor. However, I don't think it's impossible or even unlikely. The problem with the logic you've presented is that it implies that no one will ever get in trouble, within the boarders of hammerfell, for speaking out against the thalmor. It is Akin to the notion that no one in afghanistan could possibly get in trouble for insulting the taliban, because officially, the taliban doesn't exist in afghanistan anymore, as they were ousted.

A logical first step would be to infiltrate certain key power structures within hammerfell. Imagine if she was telling the truth: you just sold her out to the thalmor simply because you were too lazy to make sure their story story was true.

The flaw in your argument about the taliban is that they were a grass roots organization from within afghanistan that has support there. The thalmor were foreign invaders in hammerfell without any internal support and were absolutely hated.

Even if a few british spies tried to kill them the american wouldn't flee to canada, he would just go to the American authorities in a safer town. I think there are better analogies. Britain was separated by an ocean Espionage was much more difficult to orchestrate for the British than it would be for the Thalmor I would say that the troubles in Irish history are a better anology. Families would betray one another to various warring groups and militias. Anyway, the specific analogous situation isn't all that important.

In any case, why would you go to another town where the spies could just find you. If I was being chased by spies I would to go an embassy. In a world where life is very cheap, like skyrim, it would make more sense to forego the embassy and just cross boarders.

Why attract attention to yourself? Make your pursuers attract the attention. Which saadia did. Why leave the town at all? If the thalmor were truly after her i'm sure she could have yelled out "help, thalmor! Honestly like I've said before you 're assuming way too much, myself I would pick whichever side that has more cold hard facts to support it, which kematu does.

There is no evidence in the game from any sources that the thalmor has any influence in hammerfell, i'm sure if we were to consider that at least one source would have been supplied. Also, the summerset isles and hammerfell are seperated by an ocean. Circumstantial evidence does not equal fact. I can't believe you would use the phrase cold hard fact, when the only facts we have are that mercenaries are trying to sneak into a city.

Every man in town would come to her aid? Not if they are like you and assume that the thalmor don't exist in hammerfell. Theres no way that they can provide backstory to make every single decision either right or wrong anyway.

So i don't think it would necessarily be mentioned. Especially considering that the game takes place outside of hammerfell.

Good point about the ocean. However I have a feeling the elves would have ways to communicate that the british did not. And again, I don't think that analogy is accurate as the rule of law in the early United States was considerably better than in hammerfell democracy commented 9 years ago by anonymous. You're telling me that, in a country that is full of people who are openly against the thalmor, one woman, just one, is targeted by the thalmor for speaking out against them?

Who exactly was she speaking out against them to that it would matter? She's surrounded by thousands of people who speak out against them as well without repercussion, are you telling me that the thalmor are going to take any interest in one woman who is against them who lives in a country they're at war at? I pretty sure the thalmor know that an overwhelming majority of the redguards are against them, in fact an overwhelming amount of redguards HATE the thalmor.

So who would saadia sway into hating them more than they already do? When there are literally hundreds of thalmor judiciaries in skyrim who could easily kill her without any legal repercussions, they kill nords every day without the empire saying anything.

Please try to justify any of that, i want you to. Of course that is all way more plausible than the idea that she sold out one city and the other cities hired one of their own bounty hunters to bring her back. Justify any of that? It doesn't matter how much the general population dislikes them. If they gain the favor of a few rich individuals, they are probably safe.

I, like you espouse yourself to be, am more interested in facts than what is likely to be the back story which we probably will never find out anyway. It's not a fact that she is a spy, it's your opinion. It's a fact that kematu's crew was caught sneaking into a city to abduct saadia. Again, the backstory is unknown, so I don't understand why you keep trying to guess it. What matters are the facts. Anyway, if the thalmor are infiltrating noble families in hammerfell, one intransigent family member could spoil the whole thing Who, why, what, etc.

But again, if we can stick to the facts, all we know is that saadia is hiding from mercenaries who are trying to sneak into a city against the rule of law. Again, innocent until proven guilty. My ethics, maybe not yours. Technically she crossed in to skyrim illegally, remind me what they were executing you for?

If the thalmor were after her they would send a justiciary to kill her, no redguard mercenary to take her back to hammerfell where they have no control. Why would the families want to switch over to the thalmors side when A. They're winning the war and B.

The thalmor want to kill all humans? You know, when you have to invent an entire backstory for something to convince yourself you're right, you probably aren't. The logical and probably solution is that kematu is right, but you refuse to see it because of your "morals. Do you think if you were a traitor in the middle ages in our world that they would hesitate to kill you?

Basically all you've done is create one straw man argument after another without ever actually making a point that any in game lore backs up and i 'm done with you unless you can actually make a single in game argument that doesn't require a vivid imagination to be true.

You just made up an immigration law. And then you made up more backstory about a justicary to counter my backstory. I invented backstory because you asked for it with all your easy to answer questions Why didn't they do this, why didn't that Your need for an external locus of control is typical for a sad little american child. I bet your parents spanked you when you were little. Have fun with the aggression and increased likelihood for depression that causes.

Anyway this is your argument: "you're such a stupid idiot. Spies don't exist. I hate women. Have fun with your drab little world of skyrim where everything is always black and white, except for morals which don't exist. Speaking of strawmen, what was that about middle ages? Who is "they" in that sentence.

I'm pretty sure even in the middle ages you couldn't just go up and kill a random woman. Well I for one really enjoyed this conversation, but I guess since this quest actually has ambiguity, your lack of imagination makes it impossible for you to think intelligently about it and you won't be responding unless I make an "in-game argument".

Which I'm assuming would go like this: Oh golly jee, I never realized that since its not explicitly stated that thalmor DO have spies which would erase any of that scary ambiguity that is doggin' you It means that they DONT. Derrrrrrrp" But that argument is stupid so fuck off. Wow someone's a little butthurt aren' t they?

You say you care about the facts but now you 're all about imagination, really? Justiciars are the thalmors enforcers in skyrim, it's a fact. It's sad how pathetic you are, you can't even make a single intelligent argument can you? I should'nt keep this up with you because honestly i'm starting to feel bad for you.

All you've proven is that you're an idiotic douche who can't even formulate cohesive sentence. And we get it, you're definitely the only one in the world who cares for women's rights at all.

How do you know she crossed illegally? But remember you're only doing it to get revenge on your mom for spanking you. Also, is the elder scrolls wiki the "official" page that you copied that from?

Doesn't sound official to me. Wow you're a shitty psychologist if you think this has anything to do with me hating women or my mom spanking me, she did maybe once or twice when I was so small to remember. You're just someone who just can't accept that he's wrong so he resorts to name calling and joking to make people not notice how big of a fuck up he is. I'm sure you've been doing that since you were a kid, maybe your mother should have spanked you?

Or perhaps your father beat you or he just wasn't there. Either way something caused you to be a serious misandrist. I suggest going to a psychologist. Also, at the very beginning of the game the other prisoner mentions that they caught you coming in to skyrim illegally. Nice generic insult. You need an external source of morality, i.